Measuring the frontier

The OpenAI Podcast · 16 Jun 2026 · Episode 21

About this episode

The old tests are getting too easy. Tejal Patwardhan, who leads OpenAI's frontier evals team, talks with host Andrew Mayne about why evals matter for research, how benchmarks break or get gamed, and what models should be judged on next as they keep getting more capable.

About the show

The OpenAI Podcast — OpenAI. Long-form conversations with the people building at OpenAI — research, ChatGPT, Codex, infrastructure and where the industry is heading.